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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delightful discussion! Some real clear thinking. 

As a humble interior designer, I read (with interest) all the comments - waiting for some mention of the interior designer&#039;s role in participating in real green efforts. Is the interior designer forever fated to be the handmaiden of the architect? 

IMHO, our role is to help design near environments that support the way humans live... in function and form. Nic, what do you see as the residential interior designer role in making green buildings livable, from the inside aesthetic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delightful discussion! Some real clear thinking. </p>
<p>As a humble interior designer, I read (with interest) all the comments &#8211; waiting for some mention of the interior designer&#8217;s role in participating in real green efforts. Is the interior designer forever fated to be the handmaiden of the architect? </p>
<p>IMHO, our role is to help design near environments that support the way humans live&#8230; in function and form. Nic, what do you see as the residential interior designer role in making green buildings livable, from the inside aesthetic?</p>
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		<title>By: gelizle</title>
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		<dc:creator>gelizle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing stylistic that precludes your desire to garden or survive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing stylistic that precludes your desire to garden or survive.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cost of Polishing a Turd &#124; 100K House Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.100khouse.com/2008/12/16/the-cost-of-polishing-a-turd/comment-page-1/#comment-2260</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cost of Polishing a Turd &#124; 100K House Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lavardera</title>
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		<dc:creator>lavardera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing stylistic that precludes your desire to garden or survive. The inability to detach the issues is symptomatic of the muddy thinking that has made the housing industry so successful building lousy houses.

In the end if we succeed in changing the way houses are built in the USA you will  be able to get your green sustainable energy efficient house in any shade of style you wish. Until then the house needs to make a statement that it is different, and in the course of doing that there is nothing wrong with serving the thousands of people who prefer modern and can&#039;t find one in every  town, city, street in america. If that preference is a fad, so bet it, I&#039;ve been living a fad for my whole life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing stylistic that precludes your desire to garden or survive. The inability to detach the issues is symptomatic of the muddy thinking that has made the housing industry so successful building lousy houses.</p>
<p>In the end if we succeed in changing the way houses are built in the USA you will  be able to get your green sustainable energy efficient house in any shade of style you wish. Until then the house needs to make a statement that it is different, and in the course of doing that there is nothing wrong with serving the thousands of people who prefer modern and can&#8217;t find one in every  town, city, street in america. If that preference is a fad, so bet it, I&#8217;ve been living a fad for my whole life.</p>
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		<title>By: House hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>House hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 14:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the need to fill a &quot;niche&quot; but energy efficiency must go &quot;main stream&quot; as fast as possible - we need to leave fossil fuels before they leave us. 
That means architects and designers have to put their minds to energy-efficient buildings that appeal to the broadest number of people possible - not just the &quot;hip and cool&quot;. 
Houses are meant for living in - you can&#039;t compare them to priuses.
I don&#039;t want to live in a place which is all cold angles.  I have a productive garden - fruits and vegetables. I want to be able to integrate the garden into the home design (in a permaculture sense). 
I don&#039;t see that as &quot;romantic&quot; - I see that as &quot;survival&quot;. 
Many homes built more than 100 years ago used sun direction and placement of windows to help heat and cool before the advent of central air. 
On top of that they have a character than has, IMHO, stood the test of time. 
Faddish building designs are just that - they&#039;ll be obsolete next year, like last year&#039;s iPod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the need to fill a &#8220;niche&#8221; but energy efficiency must go &#8220;main stream&#8221; as fast as possible &#8211; we need to leave fossil fuels before they leave us.<br />
That means architects and designers have to put their minds to energy-efficient buildings that appeal to the broadest number of people possible &#8211; not just the &#8220;hip and cool&#8221;.<br />
Houses are meant for living in &#8211; you can&#8217;t compare them to priuses.<br />
I don&#8217;t want to live in a place which is all cold angles.  I have a productive garden &#8211; fruits and vegetables. I want to be able to integrate the garden into the home design (in a permaculture sense).<br />
I don&#8217;t see that as &#8220;romantic&#8221; &#8211; I see that as &#8220;survival&#8221;.<br />
Many homes built more than 100 years ago used sun direction and placement of windows to help heat and cool before the advent of central air.<br />
On top of that they have a character than has, IMHO, stood the test of time.<br />
Faddish building designs are just that &#8211; they&#8217;ll be obsolete next year, like last year&#8217;s iPod.</p>
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		<title>By: Nic Darling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nic Darling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert - First, excellent comment. And now my reply . . .

I don&#039;t think the &quot;turd&quot; idea is that far off in the context of my argument. Though the word was used in the title of the piece to grab attention as much as anything else (effective, no?), I think I will stand by it. 

Let&#039;s keep in mind, I am not talking about renovations here. The effort to repair and &quot;green&quot; an existing home is admirable. If done right, it is fixing what would otherwise be a turd. If done poorly . . . well then you might actually be doing some polishing.

The &quot;turds&quot; of which I speak are new home designs that are inherently flawed. The builders, rather than tossing these flawed designs out and creating something less turd-esque, attempt to polish it up by tacking on green features. Homes become defined as turds when they are consciously crapped out onto our landscape despite the evidence of the wastefulness inherent in their conception.

So, while I appreciate a good editor as much as the next guy, I&#039;ll go down with the ship on this one. In terms of sustainability, the homes I am talking about are turds.

As to the end of your comment, I think there is definitely room for high-end green homes. In fact, I would love to be able to afford one some day, but I think they probably look a lot different than the high-end 5 bedroom exurbs model that you are talking about. I imagine them more modest in size but higher in over-all quality. Materials and technology making up the bulk of their extra cost rather than seldom-used space and amenities. 

As to your own renovation, go to it, and I wish you the best. I would love to hear more about what you are doing. There are plenty of homes out there that need similar fixing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert &#8211; First, excellent comment. And now my reply . . .</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the &#8220;turd&#8221; idea is that far off in the context of my argument. Though the word was used in the title of the piece to grab attention as much as anything else (effective, no?), I think I will stand by it. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep in mind, I am not talking about renovations here. The effort to repair and &#8220;green&#8221; an existing home is admirable. If done right, it is fixing what would otherwise be a turd. If done poorly . . . well then you might actually be doing some polishing.</p>
<p>The &#8220;turds&#8221; of which I speak are new home designs that are inherently flawed. The builders, rather than tossing these flawed designs out and creating something less turd-esque, attempt to polish it up by tacking on green features. Homes become defined as turds when they are consciously crapped out onto our landscape despite the evidence of the wastefulness inherent in their conception.</p>
<p>So, while I appreciate a good editor as much as the next guy, I&#8217;ll go down with the ship on this one. In terms of sustainability, the homes I am talking about are turds.</p>
<p>As to the end of your comment, I think there is definitely room for high-end green homes. In fact, I would love to be able to afford one some day, but I think they probably look a lot different than the high-end 5 bedroom exurbs model that you are talking about. I imagine them more modest in size but higher in over-all quality. Materials and technology making up the bulk of their extra cost rather than seldom-used space and amenities. </p>
<p>As to your own renovation, go to it, and I wish you the best. I would love to hear more about what you are doing. There are plenty of homes out there that need similar fixing.</p>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI - The term is LEED, not LEEDS. Leadership in Environmental and Energy Design. 

I&#039;ll let Nic address the other questions in the comments here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI &#8211; The term is LEED, not LEEDS. Leadership in Environmental and Energy Design. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let Nic address the other questions in the comments here.</p>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear House hunter,

Thanks for your comment. We address this question in our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.100khouse.com/faq&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FAQs&lt;/a&gt; as we get it relatively often. Lavardera makes our point for us, but basically we have decided that our company, Postgreen, will focus on modern architectural development in Philadelphia. 

We understand and agree that there are other styles of homes that people will like more, it just isn&#039;t the niche we have decided to go after. In these times, we feel carving a niche is necessary to succeed. 

Having said this, we will be exploring modern interpretations of more classic architectural styles such as the Cottage style you mentioned. This may be down the road a bit, but it&#039;s on the ever growing list...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear House hunter,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. We address this question in our <a href="http://www.100khouse.com/faq" rel="nofollow">FAQs</a> as we get it relatively often. Lavardera makes our point for us, but basically we have decided that our company, Postgreen, will focus on modern architectural development in Philadelphia. </p>
<p>We understand and agree that there are other styles of homes that people will like more, it just isn&#8217;t the niche we have decided to go after. In these times, we feel carving a niche is necessary to succeed. </p>
<p>Having said this, we will be exploring modern interpretations of more classic architectural styles such as the Cottage style you mentioned. This may be down the road a bit, but it&#8217;s on the ever growing list&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 14:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, I don&#039;t think this discussion was aimed at greening existing homes. In fact greening existing buildings is going to save more energy than building new green buildings anyway simply because there are more of them, so kudos to you for what you are doing. Now, your other question about whether 5 bedrooms homes is another discussion. And it makes me think of yet another: what do we do with the exurbs. Unless there is some big catasrophe they will continue to exist. And if we radically change them now it will be to the short/medium term detriment of those who live there. I think that mostly the market will drive this and that it will be relatively slow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I don&#8217;t think this discussion was aimed at greening existing homes. In fact greening existing buildings is going to save more energy than building new green buildings anyway simply because there are more of them, so kudos to you for what you are doing. Now, your other question about whether 5 bedrooms homes is another discussion. And it makes me think of yet another: what do we do with the exurbs. Unless there is some big catasrophe they will continue to exist. And if we radically change them now it will be to the short/medium term detriment of those who live there. I think that mostly the market will drive this and that it will be relatively slow.</p>
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		<title>By: lavardera</title>
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		<dc:creator>lavardera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do they have to look like &quot;futuristic cell blocks &quot; as opposed to looking like a &quot;pathetically romantic delusion&quot;?

As a marketing and business decision building a house differently is reinforced by building a house that looks different. Witness the success of the Prius, dedicated hybrid platform, over the hybrid Civic, conventional car with hybrid powertrain. Prius owns the mindspace of hybrid car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do they have to look like &#8220;futuristic cell blocks &#8221; as opposed to looking like a &#8220;pathetically romantic delusion&#8221;?</p>
<p>As a marketing and business decision building a house differently is reinforced by building a house that looks different. Witness the success of the Prius, dedicated hybrid platform, over the hybrid Civic, conventional car with hybrid powertrain. Prius owns the mindspace of hybrid car.</p>
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